with the new government and egypt and how that may play out. vis-a-vis the dispute between -- there are a lot of concerns that aren't in this sort of immediate wheel house of the fiscal cliff. that the white house is watching. >> something of a falling out between president obama and john kerry and the reason i bring that up is john kerry obviously has made it clear he wants to be secretary of state when hillary clinton leaves. had it not been for john kerry who was then a state senator from -- giving the prime time keynote speaking spot, barack obama doesn't have a campaign in 2008. in some sense, you could say john kerry is really the reason why president obama won in 2008. you would think that president obama owes john kerry and john kerry is in all of the debates steadfast supporter. yet john kerry is being floated as secretary of defense and it is susan rice who seems to be in line to be secretary of state. what's going on there? >> well, there's a couple of things going on. one is that susan rice has always been this sort of -- of the peo